if they do nothing, if no law passes, they go over the fiscal cliff. >> that raises the issue. you are talking what a disaster the medicare eligibility portion of this would be, do you look at the compromise of 37%, if you could get something more favorable on medicare, would you say going up to 37% instead of 39.6 is enough? >> no. look, there was a tax plan and we looked at the discussion of keeping the rates at the level and reforming the tax code and dealing with deductions. the truth is, if you want to have significant deficit reduction, which republicans are arguing for and you want to stabilize the debt, we need significant revenue. we need to -- the real challenge we have is we are not raising revenue. it's at the lowest levels it's been in decades. the fairest and best way to do that is move from 35 to 39.6%. go back to the clinton levels. we have this level in 2000, from '93 to 2000. we had great growth. we looked at the issue. we have bob on our plan. the reason we have that is because we recognize this argument republicans have made, which is that raising the rates